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Theosophy?

I see that my edit has been reverted so that this article perpetuates the false notion that Said Nursi has some association with the so-called theosophy of Helena Blavatsky. There is absolutely no evidence for this. The English word "theosophy" has been used by scholars to translate the Arabic word "hikmah" or "hikmat," as in the transcendent theosophy (al-hikmat al-muta'āliyah) of Mulla Sadra. The Akbariyya school that began with Ibn 'Arabi has also been called theosophical Sufism but, again, this has nothing to do with the late 19th century occultist movement started by Blavatsky.

I am going to fix this false association again, because I have seen no evidence for it. If someone can demonstrate the influence of Blavatskian theosophy on Nursi, fine, but I think this is either a simple misunderstanding or an ill-intended effort to tarnish his reputation. Spelare108 (talk) 00:40, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That would be Onel5969's fault. They've since declared they won't engage in such edits.

@Spelare108: although we don't go with editor interpretation or knowledge but with cited sources, you do appear more familiar with this topic than me. Would Transcendent theosophy be a better link? Ian.thomson (talk) 06:44, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Ian.thomson:

No, because Transcendent theosophy refers specifically to the school of Mulla Sadra, and I'm not sure Said Nursi knew of him. The appropriate reference would be to theosophical (aka philosophical) Sufism, exemplified by the Akbariyya school that followed Ibn Arabi and the Illuminationist (ishraqi) school of Suhrawardi. Said Nursi definitely read and was influenced by these authors, giving him some affinity with Mulla Sadra's transcendent theosophy without direct contact. Spelare108 (talk) 01:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My advice would be to remove ALL references to theosophy. It’s just an error that has crept in apparently because of a translation error. Best regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 05:52, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Train Wreck

Parts of this article are written from a biased opinion, and on the whole it appears to be a bit of a train wreck. I can't make heads or tails of half of the information in the "Teachings and Movement" section. Can anyone help whoever wrote this out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.114.76.181 (talk • contribs) 11:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)^<diff>[reply]

Horrible

Parts of the article were clearly written by an adherent of Nursi - the content is uncritically and (and quite poorly) translated from his works in Turkish. As it stands now, the article only serves to be a (rather poorly translated) missionary text advertising Nursi's more palatable religious beliefs. The article needs to be written from scratch. Boundary.operator (talk) 15:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even the naming of the sections in this article ("Old/New Nursî") derives from Nursî's own recount of his life, which is a phenomenon I've never seen before on Wikipedia. Boundary.operator (talk) 22:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was edited extensively by a now blocked user (Hakikacto). This was the version before their edits[1]. If this version is better (I don't know much about this topic), we can change it back. Semsûrî (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]