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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.

Discussions:

RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Not moved, 19 August 2013, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia, U.S., Withdrawn, 24 July 2014, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (state), Not moved, 23 November 2016, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (American state), Not moved, 5 January 2018, Discussion
RM, Georgia (U.S. state) → Georgia (state), Not moved, 6 April 2019, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Not moved, 11 July 2021, Discussion
RM, Georgia → Georgia (disambiguation), Procedural close, 17 January 2022, Discussion
RM, Georgia → Georgia (disambiguation), Speedy close, 24 April 2022, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Not moved, 29 September 2023, Discussion

Older discussions:

RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Opposed, 2003
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, Opposed, 6 May 2004, Discussion (Poll)
RM, Georgia (country) → Republic of Georgia, Opposed, 23 May 2005, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 5 July 2006, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 11 July 2007, Discussion
RM, Georgia (country) → Georgia, No consensus, 15 March 2008, Discussion

The "Georgia" move discussions in a nutshell:

On Wikipedia, the placing of a word in parentheses in the title of an article is primarily used as a method of disambiguation, with the parenthesised word usually being a set that the article's subject is a part of.
The basic debate has been whether the Eurasian country should be the primary topic, and therefore does not need any parenthesised word in the title. Those in favor of such a move often argue that internationally recognised countries should take precedence over sub-national units like the U.S. state, though there are other suggested reasons for primary topic. Some proponents of a move have also argued that the current failure to recognize Georgia (the country) as the primary topic displays a U.S.-centric bias.
Opponents of such a renaming note that under Wikipedia's guidelines, the primary topic can be determined based on which one is significantly more commonly searched for and read than other meanings as well as which one is more important or significant. They generally dispute that the U.S. state of Georgia is any less important; in fact, given the significantly greater size of its population, economy (especially its film industry), geographical area, and main airport, many argue the U.S. state is actually more important despite sharing some of its sovereignty with the United States federal government and not having a seat in the United Nations. They have also argued in the past that since the Eurasian country was (at the time of the above linked discussions) being actually slightly less searched for than the U.S. state, the former should not be the primary topic. Based on all of the foregoing factors, some contend the U.S. state should be the primary topic with no qualifier in its title. Some opponents have also argued that having Georgia as a disambiguation page is a better way to catch cases where an article contains wikilinks to the bare name "Georgia" that should be disambiguated.

On 10 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Republic of Georgia. The result of the discussion was not moved.

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I would argue that the title should simply be 'Georgia' and remove '(country)'. Joshua D. Muthi (talk) 15:50, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua D. Muthi, is this because many people internationally know the country as Georgia and speculate that the state might have a name like West Carolina?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:59, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There have been nine formal discussions about this on this page in the last 21 years and none of them have ended with a consensus to change it. The only way to succeed at it would be to come up with some argument never before raised that would be consistent with the guidelines on article naming and would inspire more support from discussion participants than has been obtained in the past. Largoplazo (talk) 16:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with Largoplazo. Keep in mind that many people, myself included, feel that the Georgia that deserves to own the name without any qualifier is the one with the giant airport and a metropolitan area with a larger economy and population than the entire country of Georgia. Most people who watch any television programs or films regularly will definitely see that Georgia on screen several times in their lifetime (because of how Marvel Studios loves to outsource its film and television projects to Atlanta), but they will never see Georgia the country unless they specifically look for it. --Coolcaesar (talk) 12:19, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only way to properly solve this ever recurring debate for once and for all is to campaign for the internationalisation of the name to Sakartvelo. That is the only viable way to put this name discussion to rest. Labrang (talk) 19:08, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why should country change ancient name that is used from middle ages just because recent British colony is also named like this? That is not such a nice "solution" and very arrogant.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 03:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Labrang didn't say they should. Lebrang said it's the only way to solve this problem. If they don't take that route to solving this problem, that's fine. It's up to them. Largoplazo (talk) 10:28, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Hameltion (talk | contribs) 23:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Georgia (country) → Republic of Georgia – Requested move per WP:NATDIS and WP:CONSISTENT; see Republic of Ireland. A similar example of an interchangeable title also includes State of Palestine. Searching “Republic of Georgia” on a web browser heavily inputs results of the country. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 14:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Whoa, this is refreshing: a natural and correct disambiguation rather than yet another repetitive feud over whether the country is the primary topic. Definitely better than the parenthetical disambiguation. Largoplazo (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC) Oppose I was taking for granted the premise that "Republic of Georgia" is its formal name. It apparently isn't, as has now been brought to my attention, and as appears to be plain from a look at the English translation of the country's constitution. So now I'm reversing my !vote, agreeing with SilverLocust about the false impression it would give. If it were even a very common name then it might still be OK but it isn't my impression that it's terribly common in comparison to just "Georgia". Largoplazo (talk) 23:33, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support have always though this should be moved..,,,this idea is the best so far.Moxy🍁 16:14, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: This is an uncommon term and gives a false impression that it is an official name (since it sounds like an official name). It still needs to be a common name in reliable sources to be WP:NATDIS ("commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title"), which this is not — or at least it appears not to be, and no evidence has been provided to show otherwise. This article says it was common from 1991–1995, inaptly citing the Tbilisi article from Encyclopedia Britannica that doesn't say anything about that claim but does describe Tbilisi as the "capital of the republic of Georgia" (one instance where "republic of" is used as a disambiguating description within a sentence), whereas their article for Georgia does not use the term at all. The Ireland/Republic of Ireland/Northern Ireland distinction is a different situation. Republic of Ireland is pretty common and an official description (if not the official name of the country) per the Republic of Ireland Act, 1948. Those two things make it work well as natural disambiguation for the country's name. It is better with the Georgias to just disambiguate normally. SilverLocust 💬 17:32, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Republic of Georgia was previously a disambiguation page and changed to a primary redirect without discussion in 2022. It may well be a WP:NOPRIMARY situtation, since there were four previous "Republic of Georgias" before the current one. 162 etc. (talk) 21:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unlike Ireland which specifically has a formal official description I'm not convicted the longer descriptive name is common enough so using brackets seem best. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per SilverLocust. Republic of Georgia is neither an official name, nor is it commonly used for the country. Vanyka-slovanyka (talk) 23:03, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and WP:NATDIS. I would also support moving Georgia (U.S. state) to State of Georgia for the same reason (or at least to Georgia, United States). JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 02:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NATURAL says "do not use obscure or made-up names". Given it doesn't even appear its today the official descriptive name it appears at minimum its obscure, also the descriptive name for the US state doesn't appear to be commonly used enough. Similar to using Bray, Berkshire instead of Bray on Thames. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per NATURAL.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per SilverLocust's explanation above. ╠╣uw [talk] 15:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Why don't this can be changed to simply Georgia. No other country has been humiliated so much as Gorgia, having to explicitly state that is is country, just because a random state in the united states of america has the same name. This would not have happened if the Georgia state is from the some other country, say from an asian/african/latin american countries. Also, it is not completely surprising that wikipedia has such a double standard and discrimination. 2A02:C7C:5E70:E700:A578:33E9:9DD8:47DC (talk) 11:39, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In English "Georgia" is probably as likely to mean the US state. As someone in England I can say that the US state is probably better known here and clearly it would be in American English. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, not the name, neither WP:NATDIS nor WP:CONSISTENT. CMD (talk) 12:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, support move to Georgia instead. Super Ψ Dro 14:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We use WP:COMMONNAME for article titles of worldwide countries and territories. With WP:TITLECON, I would oppose this proposal of page move. Cfls (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This is an example of WP:VNT failing as just beacause you can verify something doesn't make it true. Kind of reminds me of something else.....Oh well I just can't rememeber. Leonard LMT (talk) 16:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per consistency with Republic of Ireland and per WP:NATURAL. cookie monster 755 00:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC) Oppose upon further research this isn't even its official name in English. cookie monster 755 00:55, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this article is not only about the post-Soviet state. If you want to split the post-Soviet state into a separate article, then the proposed name is the one to use. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 09:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - this is not even its official name. It was in the early post-Soviet days, but already long time not. Nobody knowledgeable about the history would not even propose this change. Have a nice judgement, cheers Labrang (talk) 15:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, neither official nor common name. An emperor ✖ 02:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, not official name, name is fine as it is. MarkiPoli (talk) 10:46, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Please remove the errant </ref>tag here:

* {{cite journal |author=|title=The Transcaucasian Soviet Federation |journal=Russian Review|volume=3|issue=24|pages=496–499|location=Washington, D.C.|publisher=The Russian Information Bureau |date=15 December 1925|ref={{sfnref|Russian Review|1925}} |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fkHjAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA499|access-date=2022-04-20}}</ref>

. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 22:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Hyphenation Expert (talk) 23:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect. Oldest winery found in Areni site in Armenia

"Georgia has been inhabited since prehistory, hosting the world's earliest known sites of winemaking..." this is not true. Areni-1 archeological site in Armenia is the oldest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areni-1_winery Oaivazian (talk) 18:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah - the wine competition between Armenians and Georgians. My latest is that the traces of wine making found n the Gadachrili Gora site (Imiri village near Shulaveri, Marneuli) are from roughly 6000BC, preceding the Areni-1 site with 2 millennia. See The Guardian and a research article on the findings in the site. Labrang (talk) 21:09, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In claiming that this Wikipedia article is wrong, you implicitly acknowledge your understanding that Wikipedia articles can be wrong. So why would you then cite another Wikipedia article as though it's the sacred truth, instead of realizing that it may be wrong? At most, it would be reasonable to note the inconsistency between the two and ask if anyone can resolve it.

But, here, there isn't any inconsistency! Georgian winemaking has been dated to as far back as 6000 BC. As your intention was to show that Armenian winemaking is older, why would you draw our attention to this Areni wine that's dated to 4100–4000 BC, around 2,000 years later than the earliest known Georgian winemaking? Largoplazo (talk) 21:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Identity?

"Georgia (country)" seems to be the many origins of the images displayed in the "Rumi tarot", the country has Persian roots alongside its neighbors such as Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iran.

this nation was once Achaemenid Empire, and can be proven to be the belligerent in the Battle of Chaldiran.

What truly is the identity of this interesting nation? 103.245.194.28 (talk) 21:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Violent demonstrations in Tiflis since 11/28/2024

Missing topic in article 2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317 (talk) 16:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOTNEWS, an article isn't a journal of the week's news. Some editor would have to feel that these demonstrations are key to a general article about the country, and that probably can't be established until a while afterwards so that it can be seen whether, in retrospect, those demonstrations played a prominent role in shaping the face of the country. Largoplazo (talk) 16:58, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Election 2024 missing in article

Election 2024 missing in article in topic "Georgian Dream government (2012–present)" 2001:9E8:34E3:BF00:2CB8:A6B1:3B74:2317 (talk) 16:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]